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And half of God's people said, "Yesss!"And the other half said, "Nooo!"If it wasn't meant to be political, you kinda have to wonder what was the point in asking, then? We as Christians are all about truth, so it seems like if we say something that was intended to be political, maybe we should just say "Yes, it was intended to be political."And if that changes the church's tax status then so be it. Some things need to be said. But if it's not worth the risk, maybe we should bite our tongues. I would say this would have been a good place for Byrd to bite his tongue. derifter Homepage 05.02.08 - 6:58 pm
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I'll be honest: I'm impressed that you checked back twice in one week given my blogging track record as of late.I agree with you though, man. This is such a divisive comment and I really don't see what the point was. The sign definitely didn't prove the "point" he was trying to make, so I'm kind of at a loss.But I digress. Good seeing you, man. Josh Crain Homepage 05.02.08 - 7:23 pm
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So you're a plumber, eh? You own your own business or are you a sub-contractor?James 05.04.08 - 10:12 am
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I'm still working out all the details, but it's slowly coming together. Josh Crain Homepage 05.05.08 - 4:33 pm
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Hello from Virginia ... Never could understand why everyone else could be interested in and proud of their own kind ( or race - we make it sound like such a bad word ) and their accomplishments , but we whites have to be ever so submissive and meek . Let them run rough shod over us without a whimper . It's deemed evil to buck the PC tide .
We have the proof of truth right before us , but we care not enough to seek . Would Jesus be labeled a racist for making the distinctions He did , by choosing to whom He spoke ? By calling certain people serpents , dogs , foxes , beasts ... and other character assasinations condemning certain peoples ?
We've allowed ourselves to be so spiritually minded that we can't see the plain truth . But we're well versed and taught in how to reject it . Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.07.08 - 3:25 am
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Hey, Jeff man, you look familiar... Where have I seen you before? Oh yeah.Wasn't Jesus talking to His own kind (Jews) when he called them serpents? derifter Homepage 05.07.08 - 11:06 am
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Hey Hombre ... yep , took a left when I left yer digs and winded up here . We covers alot of ground .
Wow , the word jew . Now there's something that would require a manual to define . Let's see ... the first time it appeared in scripture was 2 Kings 16 : 6 , and they were warring against Israel .
Do we mean jew as a word corrupted from the original judaen - the true judahites ?
Do we refer to the inhabitants of the land , as in we would say Americans ... composing many peoples ?
Or do we refer to those who adher to judaism , which is diametrically opposed to Christianity ? Do we mean to say that Jesus is the kin of those who call themselves jews today , but are not ... ?
Those in the land of Israel today hold no claim to fame nor any identifying marks to prove their usurped identity , other than their military occupation of a land .Give me some proofs boss ... they aint there .
God never changes . It was Israel from start to finish . The disciples were sent unto the world , the gentiles ( which means nations ) , because that's where they were scattered . There had already been two dispersions . " My sheep hear my voice ." That can only be one people . Everyone is so quick to label as racist this truth . They have to refine God and His Word to fit our concepts of fairness and equality .
What if my supposition is right ? I can lay out another 30 proofs but if our minds are sealed , what's the use ? I'm not taking pokes and saying I'm right about everything , but man ... make an honest study . Isn't that our duty ? Take care brothers ... 2 Timothy 2 : 15 ( for us all ) Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.08.08 - 1:56 am
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Bread for thought ...
Psalms 147 : 19 - 20
Matthew 15 : 24
John 17 : 9
Romans 9 : 1 - 8
Scripture cannot contradict itself . It makes sense if we don't resist truth but actually try and prove our point . Truth fears no light . And man , there's so many more to prove the point . I don't understand why folks wouldn't hunger for understanding . Guess it's just me . Knows I needs some sleep .... later . Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.08.08 - 2:18 am
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Well, Jeff, I want to first give you props for some of the most interesting comments I've received on the website. I've got a few things I want to say in response, but it's going to have to wait for tomorrow or the next day. Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you posting and I will dialogue with you once my schedule loosens up a bit this week. Josh Crain Homepage 05.08.08 - 5:44 am
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Hey Josh ... hope I didn't come across as trying to be harsh . I encourage all you young fella's in searching His Word . Us ol farts just seem a lil crusty sometimes . Bestest of intentions bro .
The Truth I bear is not borne of sinful pride . It is not borne by my might . But why is it so evil and politically / socially incorrect to search my white roots . What if there is a trail to be followed there . What if there is a non publicized truth to be found . Why can't we bring this out in the light , see if it'll stand on it's own .
Forget about all the labels they've taught us to respond with , and just examine and determine once and for all . 2 Timothy 2 : 15 . This message taught today is certainly not of the sort that got the prophets stoned . Nor Christ crucified . The churches preach the popular message today , the good watered down version . Redefine and restructure to suit the ever evolving environment and populace . Tickling to everyones ears .
When we start thinking with our hearts and emotions , and use our own understanding apart from His guidance ... we run afoul . Evidence ... look around and take your pick of abominations upon the land . Oh , but we've redefined what's right and wrong too .
We don't even know how to define the simple truth of sin - 1 John 3 : 4 . We're too busy saving souls and booking our flights to heaven .....Psalms 115 : 15 - 16 .
I don't seek to turn brethren from Christ , but back . Truth has always had a way of its own , stirring up emotions and creating divisions ... but didn't He so say ? " Be not many teachers brethren , knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation . " I take that verse very seriously , along with casting a stumbling block before brethren . Todays preachers would do well to consider these matters .
How many verses , old and new , were we warned of false prophets , false preachers and false sheep ? Am I the apostate for bringing the Word that is not popular ... because it doesn't line up with the Jesus we want ? I was raised in the Pentecostal so I know from whence some argue . My early teens brought on a desire to learn about the parts they didn't wanna talk about . We gotta step outside the box . That isn't a sin towards God but against the churches dictates .
Didn't mean to yabber on so much . Could ramble on forever . Study for yourself boss . A true seeker doesn't need someone to convince him ... God will guide yer steps . It's a thrill and blessing beyond grasp to understand the meat of the Word . But it takes diligence . Best of wishes to ya ... Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.08.08 - 8:49 pm
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Howdy again, there Jeff. You'll soon find,if you hang around here much, that Josh is a pretty hard guy to offend (believe me- I've tried! Nah, don't believe that.) I'm a little jealous of the "young fella's" ability to disagree peaceably.
Let me ask you something: In an earlier comment, you quoted the Master saying, "My sheep hear my voice ." That can only be one people. What do you make of Paul's statement that "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for YOU ARE ALL ONE in Christ Jesus." ? (Galatians 3:28, caps added by me)
As I've said before, I have a hard time understanding why physical ancestry has anything at all to do with us today. If salvation is by grace through faith, couldn't anyone of any race have that same faith, making us brothers with blacks and jews who believe? (Did you just shudder???) Haha, just kidding. I do have another question I'm curious about, but I'm gunna wait to ask it.derifter Homepage 05.08.08 - 10:47 pm
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Hello fella's ... 'preciate yalls patience and I hope continued study .I don't mean to say it's necessarily applicable here , but it reminds me of what a preacher told me once - trying to get a truth across sometimes is like trying to stab a marble with an icepick ... pretty difficult and frustrating .
I wish folks would read and really comprehend what Peter is saying in - 2 Peter 3 : 15 - 18 .
Paul was an incredibly intelligent man . Too deep for most , not that I grasp all . But we've used select verses of his ( most always ONLY his ... he would be having a fit ! ) to totally change the very basic statements of Christ and others , all twisted to fit our concept of what we deem fair and just . You can't just take a 180 and change the whole scope .
Read on in Gal. 4 : 1 - 5 , who only has been under the law ? To whom only pertaineth the adoption ? Romans 9 : 4 . I know I've quoted other verses of Paul dealing with Israel only , as does my site . What's the use ? Who really hungers enough to seek ? But folks are always like - well , yeah , BUT ... what about THIS verse ? They never open their eyes to what's being said .
Paul knew , as well as did the others , that Israel was scattered abroad . And that they were to go unto them exclusively . They were but a remnant in Jerusalem , but hence , that's why they were commanded to start first there , then go unto the world . He knew the dictates of His Master .
Must I laborously lay out every reference Paul made to Israel only and " according to the flesh ? " Paul was a convert from judaism ( Pharisaism ) . He knew he dealt with a prideful lot who thought themselves better than most , arrogant in their assurance that they were Israel . But he told them it wasn't enough .
We're using Paul to relegate Christ into an acceptable package . We're following a different Christ and do not even grasp that fact . How do we set aside the far more encompassing words of Christ , of God , of the other prophets and redefine according to select choices that seem to fit our preconceived notions ? Is there not more verification even after Pauls writing ? James 1 : 1 . 1 Peter 1 : 1 - 2 . Who are these strangers he speaks of - 2 : 1 - 10 .
Notice verse 8 - why do they always harp on the sincere need for milk first ? Wherein are these levels in organized Christianity , it's all fluff anyhow .What would be so hard for folks to grasp and accept about Christ ? Unless ... we don't understand the real Christ . And as proven here , the Word can be rather inflammatory .
We were warned of false versions of Christ ... but it's ALWAYS the other guy who is at fault . Because he don't believe like us . We know " in our hearts " that we gotta be right , God couldn't be like that .
The physical bloodline is harped upon time after time after time in scripture - God never changes , Jesus never changes . What a travesty we commit by so lackadaisically setting aside His concern for His pecular and chosen . ( But we have no qualms about placing this mantel of distinction upon a blashemous people calling themselves jews ) .
Our mindset should be , whatever the Word proves to say , that will I accept . Whether we like it , whether it seems fair , or not . How many times has He told us - my thoughts are not your thoughts , my ways ... And , how many times past in scripture have we said ... aww man , c'mon God , that don't seem fair . We better put aside that mindset and get a bit more repentant . We don't even realize how rebellious we are .
I don't spend alot of time trying to prove that God created all races , He cares for all races , has a purpose for them , because whether He does care for them or not , SHOULD NOT BE THE DECIDING FACTOR ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL ACCEPT HIM AS HE IS !! God did not all of a sudden get a change of heart . Segregation is HIS LAW ! HIS PRIMARY CONCERN IS PHYSICAL ISRAEL ! If we fail to grasp that simple point , we miss the most amazing love story of History . And the purpose of His coming and crucifixion .
Like I said , 2 Timothy 2 : 15 is a mandate for us all , an order . How complex is a melting pot all glopped together , just saving some ficticious souls to go somewhere we were never promised ? Just all giddily happy , singing about a Jesus who doesn't even exist . Just rolling along with LOVVVVEEE in our hearts . What an abomination we've become to Him . The world goes to hell and we're singing hyms . We haven't even started on the milk diet yet , let alone meat .
It's ultimately in the individuals court . I can't convince you and over the years have grown weary of trying ... because most will not begin a true study . It would rattle their foundations and they're more concerned with appearances than truth , however unpleasant it may seem to their delicate ways of summation . Anyhow ... I presume we're still back at square one . It rarely progresses further . I've done my job , outa true concern for my people , HIS PEOPLE and , unbelievably to yall , ALL people . Do we grasp the meaning of " only a remnant " would believe now ?
" for the whole creation groaneth for the revealing of the sons of God ."
NOTHING ... NOTHING rights itself in this old world until we grasp these facts and act upon them . Others are blessed when , and only when , Israel turns back to her God . THEREIN LIES OUR REPENTANCE .
Alright troops , this ol salt is pulling out , take care and may Christ guide ya . Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.09.08 - 1:12 pm
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derifter ... yep , I'll admit a bit of a shudder . Like I've mentioned , our mandate is for Israel , like it or not .
Can others be " saved " ? Well , certainly . BUT ... BUT ... we cannot disobey His law and will in so doing .We must FIRST learn what is required of us and then , and only then , can we understand how others may be helped .
We do it His way , or all our efforts will prove to be in vain . Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.09.08 - 1:20 pm
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Salvation by grace through faith ? Yes indeed and praise God for it . But , is that statement alone all inclusive of the duties of our submission and obedience to Him ? Our seeking His forgiveness ?
We have salvation thru faith ... salvation thru repentance , confession , baptism and other points . With particular emphasis on baptism , but the point is , the answer lies in ALL of the above .
I've done my study on " seemingly " differing viewpoints of Paul concerning the law . And it's split nearly 50 / 50 pro - con . So , does Pauls 50 % con stand ground versus Christs profession of - Think not that I come to abolish the law , but to fulfil - and SO many more . How can folks take the second half of that sentence and negate the first ? " Not one jot or tittle shall pass ... " Scripture after scripture ."
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing but the glory of kings is to search it out ... " - Proverbs 25 : 2
Why are we commanded to seek , and given to know that the journey will be rugged but worthwhile ?
Why did Jesus and the prophets speak of those who could and could not hear ?Why did the prophets of old say Israel would lose knowledge of their identity until the latter days ?
Who are we to know by the fruit test ? Only to define good and evil ? Or to identify ourselves , to awaken ?
My sheep hear my voice .
We can't redefine " the Voice " , spread that acceptable , modernized version around and hope to make inclusive those other than the sheep .No validity in that stance .
It's historically obvious if none other , no matter how hard they try and change it ... Christianity is the white mans religion ( and I hesitate to use that term ) . It's been in none others culture thru the ages , our writings and works of law , etc . Look at the fruits of your missionary work abroad ... do yall stay plugged in to the happenings in Africa , Europe ? Well , America . IT DON'T TAKE BOSS !
The clues abound in scripture , identifying who Israel is , where they would go , what they would accomplish . Can't you grasp the importance ? It matters to God . Just like Esau , we're dispising our birthright .
None other were ever given the honor of the term - My Sheep - ... and we hate the image of the God who could be so narrow minded and bigoted . OK ... I'll shut it off now . It's hard man , to condense matters when they're all interconnected . Gonna let the keyboard cool off awhile . Gonna gas 'er up and I'm gone ...Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.09.08 - 7:00 pm
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There's quite a lot here where I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
The law is good, though we're not under it but under grace, because Jesus fulfilled its requirements on our behalf, making Him the acceptable sacrifice. His righteousness is credited to us, making us (read:whosoever believes) sons of Abraham and heirs to the promise. I don't see that as discriminatory, I only see it as incredibly graceful to us, who once were no people but now (because we believe) are God's own people (1 Peter 2:10).
I don't get where race comes into play there. That says we become Abraham's seed through faith. Also, I don't see Paul anywhere saying that the law is not good, he's always "pro" in my understanding and never "con". He only points out that those who want to use the law to obtain righteousness are asking the law to do something it can't do. The law can't provide righteousness, it only leads us to grace. (Gal 3:24-25)
When did you first realize that us white men are the true people of God? Were you reading a particular chapter when it jumped out at you that hey- This means white people?
Hey man, I hope you're speaking figuratively about gassing 'er up. It's getting pretty spendy to do that literally these days. Here's hoping your needle is pointing to full.derifter Homepage 05.10.08 - 2:13 am
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Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Derifter on this one. You've written a lot, but I'm having trouble connecting all of it. I feel like you've given us a lot of evidence without a thesis, so I don't have any categories to put this information into.
Would you mind posting a short, concise paragraph simply outlining what your beliefs are? You don't need to restate your proof texts and arguments; we can re-read the above for that. I want to make sure I understand exactly what it is that I'm refuting. Josh Crain Homepage 05.10.08 - 9:41 am
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( derifter ) ... were you reading a particular chapter when it jumped out at ya ? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make ...
( Josh ) ... post a short paragraph stating your beliefs ... you don't need to restate ... I want to understand what I'm refuting .
Like I said from the get go , and with the full belief that was where we would end up -back at square one .
No , I wont restate all I did . If you couldn't understand it the first time around , why bother again ?
OK , you want a broad statement , something you can point and leer at and EMPHATICALLY proclaim ... I DO NOT BELIEVE LIKE THAT ! Nothing new under the sun . Denial seems a whole lot easier than actual contemplation , doesn't it ? Is ignorance bliss ? Time will tell .
Fair enough .
Here it is , milk and meat and it won't be followed up on again . I rest assured that it has been presented to you and that can't be denied .
1.) The Anglo saxon and kindred people are the Israelites of scripture . God has dealt with them and none other throughout time immortal . Until you recognize and deal with that , all your other labors are in vain .
2.) You have no immortal soul to save . You were never promised heaven , nor were you threatened with a forever burning hell .
3.) You AINT getting raptured off to no where . Yer here for the duration .
4.) The jews of today are largely descendants of esau / edom . Perpetual warfare has been between us since conception . THEY understand this .
5.) You ( organized christianity ) preach a false god , a false jesus ... and will be held accountable for not only our own sins but the stumbling blocks we've cast before others .
6.) You make the Word of God of none effect . You strengthen those who should not be strengthened , and weaken the spirit of those who should be uplifted .
7.) We better quit worrying about a non existant super powerful devil and start worrying about our sins towards God .
So , thus endeth my sermon . You may as well take yer penknife like those of old , cut out the scripture that offends you . Keep the feel good parts and what's left for a good bedtime story . For that's all it means to most anymore. 2 Chronicles 7 : 14 Happy trails ! Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.10.08 - 11:50 pm
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derifter man ... was rereading yer first comment and got me to thinking .
Hurrah for truth but on what leg would we stand ? A piecemeil version of the Bible ?
To stand against what particular offense and punishable by whose edicts ?
Correct you are about ditching the present church tax status - 501 (c)3 . For is there such a thing as a righteous separation of church and state ? To take God out of government , His kingdom and Will denied ?
But from where will you get your governance , your understanding of right and wrong , to speak out for a better way ? What foundations will you stand upon ? The 10 commandments and our interpretation of its implementation upon society ?
No man can serve 2 masters , for either he will hate the one and love the other ... Luke 16 : 13 . Hate ? Is that even allowed nowadays ? And for Christ Himself to say it? Yall do any word studies and investigations man ? Ever checked out some of these words ? Check hate .
Time and a season for all things under the sun , or that been edited too ? Just praying that His Will be done . Nose to the grindstone .... Jeff ( Va. Rebel ) Homepage 05.11.08 - 12:38 am
( if anyone cares to follow this , you can plug into Josh's website , post on " shamed to be a preacher ." Don't see how I can be any clearer or patient . Isn't it laid out easy enough to see ? Don't see no need in continueing .)
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